no, the screen instantly goes blank. also, as I said it ONLY happenes in viewmode=3 "listall", if I leave it at 50 it works, if I filter to custom or sef it will "list all" which is about 800+ for each of those. but it is the full list all that it breaks and as I said the records were sitting at 4099 when it happened which makes me suspicious there is a hard/coded limit somewhere. I have checked my server error logs and have not seen anything but I will enable debug, though I'm not convinced that will show anything either.